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police: shootings leave 2 dead, multiple people injured


hartford, conn. (ap) — police say two separate shootings have left two people dead in connecticut.hartford deputy chief brian foley says officers found four men lying in the street early saturday. one of the victims was declared dead at the scene and another was in critical condition. the other two sustained injuries not considered life-threatening.investigators believe the victims were involved in a gunfight.officers had responded to a shooting in a different area on friday night. the two men were found shot inside of a car. one was pronounced dead at the hospital while the other survived.most read storiesunlimited digital access. $1 for 4 weeks.police say the vehicle had multiple bullet holes and the back window had been blown out.police are investigating whether the two shootings are re






overnight shootings leave 3 injured, one critically, in minneapolis


two successive early-morning shootings saturday in minneapolis have left three people injured, one critically.according to the minneapolis police department’s report:officers responded just before 2:30 a.m. to a report of a man with a gun in the 3100 block of hennepin avenue s. by the time they arrived, the call had been updated to a shooting and the officers found two male victims with multiple gunshot wounds. the victims were taken to hennepin county medical center with injuries deemed non-life-threatening.about five minutes later, gunshots were heard nearby and officers found a female victim who had been shot in the neck at lagoon and humboldt avs. s. she also was taken to hcmc, where she is in critical condition.it’s not known if the shootings are related, and police have released no i






gunmen on motorcycles in brazil’s largest city kill nine in less than an hour


though the homicide rate has dropped in brazil’s most populous city, shootings have become disturbingly common in sao paulo, and two incidents this week left nine dead in less than an hour.both shootings occurred around midnight tuesday, with gunmen opening fire from motorcycles. no motive has been determined, and the assailants are still at large.witnesses of the first shooting, in the northern neighborhood of jacana, told police that, around 11:20 p.m., two men on a silver motorcycle opened fire on a bar located a few feet from a military police station.sao paulo state’s department of public safety confirmed that six men died at the scene. three others were injured and taken to a hospital. police foundshell casings from a .45-caliber weapon.the second shooting, which occurred in the sout






5 dead, 44 injured in chicago shootings over holiday weekend


chicago (ap) — chicago police say five people were killed and 44 were hurt in shootings over the memorial day weekend, which has become one of the deadliest times of the year in the city.chicago police spokesman anthony guglielmi (goo-lee-ehl’-mee) said tuesday morning that the statistics run from 6 p.m. friday through midnight monday. there were 33 shooting incidents during that time. a 15-year-old boy was among the dead. he was killed sunday on the city’s west side in a shooting that also grazed a 16-year-old girl with a bullet.the numbers this year are lower than last memorial day weekend, when guglielmi says seven people were killed and 61 injured in 47 shooting incidents. there were 13 people shot to death over the labor day weekend last year.






4 dead, 14 wounded in west, south side shootings


four people were shot dead and 14 other people, including a 15-year-old boy, were wounded during shootings from sunday to early monday on the west and south sides.the most recent fatal shooting left a cook county judge dead and a woman wounded. that attack happened about 4:50 a.m. monday  in the 9400 block of south forest avenue in the west chesterfield neighborhood. two other fatal shootings happened within 15 minutes of each other, also on the south side.about 8:15 p.m. sunday, a 24-year-old man was shot multiple times in the hand, arm and chest while he was standing in a vacant lot in the 10700 block of south green bay avenue in the east side neighborhood, police said. two men had approached him and opened fire.he was taken in critical condition to advocate christ medical center in oak






2 dead, 10 wounded in city shootings


two people were fatally shot and 10 others were wounded during shootings from tuesday to early wednesday.an 18-year-old man was shot in the head in the 2700 block of west gladys avenue about 8:35 p.m., according to police. he was taken to stroger hospital, where he was pronounced dead, according to police. the slaying and two other non-fatal shootings occurred in the harrison district, which notably recorded no shootings over the long memorial day weekend. historically, the district has been known as one of the most violent areas in the city.no arrests have been made.minutes earlier, another fatal shooting occurred about 8:35 p.m. on the far south side, in the 1000 block of west 103rd street, in the city's washington heights neighborhood, police said.police officers were called there for a






2 dead, 10 wounded in city shootings


two people were fatally shot and 10 others were wounded during shootings from tuesday to early wednesday.an 18-year-old man was shot in the head in the 2700 block of west gladys avenue about 8:35 p.m., according to police. he was taken to stroger hospital, where he was pronounced dead, according to police. the slaying and two other non-fatal shootings occurred in the harrison district, which notably recorded no shootings over the long memorial day weekend. historically, the district has been known as one of the most violent areas in the city.no arrests have been made.minutes earlier, another fatal shooting occurred about 8:35 p.m. on the far south side, in the 1000 block of west 103rd street, in the city's washington heights neighborhood, police said.police officers were called there for a






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.within a 40-minute period early sunday, six of those people were shot. among those that were wounded during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was shot dead in the gold coast neighborhood early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore






separate milwaukee shootings leave 2 dead, 10 wounded


police in milwaukee are investigating separate shootings that left two people dead and 10 wounded. the wounded include two children. the dead include a 37-year-old milwaukee man who was shot during an argument saturday afternoon, and a 29-year-old milwaukee man who was shot saturday night under circumstances that remain under investigation. a 7-year-old girl and a 27-year-old woman were wounded saturday afternoon. police say the woman was arguing with the suspect when the gun discharged. in another double-shooting saturday afternoon, an 8-year-old boy and a 27-year-old man were struck by gunfire after a fight broke out on the street. police were searching sunday for suspects in the two homicides and the two incidents in which children were hurt. suspects have been arrested in some of the o






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.within a 40-minute period early sunday, six of those people were shot. among those who were wounded during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was shot dead in the gold coast neighborhood early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore d






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.within a 40-minute period early sunday, six of those people were shot. among those who were wounded during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was shot dead in the gold coast neighborhood early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore d






1 dead, 2 wounded after shootings on south side


one man was dead and two others were taken to hospitals after shootings sunday afternoon on the south side.the fatal shooting happened about 12:15 p.m. in the 6100 block of south eberhart avenue in the city's west woodlawn neighborhood.the victim, a 44-year-old man, was shot multiple times in the head and was dead on the scene, police said.about 2 p.m. a male of an unknown age was shot and critically wounded in the 10600 block of south parnell avenue in the fernwood neighborhood, police said.police did not say what hospital he was taken to.about noon, a 28-year-old man was walking in the 13100 block of south ingleside avenue in the altgeld gardens neighborhood when someone shot him in the left leg, police said.he was taken to advocate christ medical center in oak lawn, where his condition






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.six of those people were shot within a 40-minute period early sunday. among those shot during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was killed in the gold coast neighborhood early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore drive. rifle shoo






1 dead, 2 wounded after shootings on south side


one man was dead and two others were taken to hospitals after shootings sunday afternoon on the south side.the fatal shooting happened about 12:15 p.m. in the 6100 block of south eberhart avenue in the city's west woodlawn neighborhood.the victim, a 44-year-old man, was shot multiple times in the head and was dead on the scene, police said.about 2 p.m. a person was shot and critically wounded in the 10600 block of south parnell avenue in the fernwood neighborhood, police said.police did not say what hospital the person, a male of an unknown age, was taken to.about noon, a 28-year-old man was walking in the 13100 block of south ingleside avenue in the altgeld gardens neighborhood when someone shot him in the left leg, police said.he was taken to advocate christ medical center in oak lawn, w






2 dead, 8 wounded in tuesday shootings


two people were shot dead and eight other people, including a 65-year-old seriously hurt during an attempted robbery, were taken to hospitals after shootings in the city tuesday afternoon and evening.the most recent fatal shooting happened about 10:15 p.m. in the pill hill neighborhood on the city's far south side. officers responding to a call of shots fired found the man on the sidewalk in front of a home in the 9200 block of south chappel avenue. he had been shot multiple times and was pronounced dead, police said. officers believe the man is 20 to 30 years old, but he had not yet been identified. earlier about 12:25 p.m., a 17-year-old boy was fatally shot in the 2300 block of east 95th street in the city's calumet heights neighborhood. police earlier used the 9500 block of south ogles






3 injured, one critically, in early a.m. shootings in minneapolis


two successive early-morning shootings saturday in minneapolis have left three people injured, one critically.according to the minneapolis police department’s report:officers responded just before 2:30 a.m. to a report of a man with a gun in the 3100 block of hennepin avenue s. by the time they arrived, the call had been updated to a shooting and the officers found two male victims with multiple gunshot wounds. the victims were taken to hennepin county medical center with injuries deemed non-life-threatening.about five minutes later, gunshots were heard nearby and officers found a female victim who had been shot in the neck at lagoon and humboldt avs. s. she also was taken to hcmc, where she is in critical condition.it’s not known if the shootings are related, and police have released no i






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, according to police. of those shot, eight were wounded in two separate quadruple shootings on the west side. six people were shot within a 40-minute period early sunday, including a 25-year-old woman killed on the near north side early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, hitting her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore drive. rifle shootings in back of the yards four people were wound






monday shootings leave 6 dead, 17 wounded


shootings on monday into tuesday during the long memorial day weekend left six people dead, three of whom were involved in domestic-related incidents, and left 17 others wounded in separate attacks.the most recent fatal shooting left a 21-year-old man dead in the washington park neighborhood about 2:50 a.m. he was inside a four-door car when someone fired toward the car, hitting the man. he was pronounced dead at stroger hospital. monday night, a 17-year-old boy was shot dead and two others were wounded just before 9:50 p.m. in the 6900 block of south harvard avenue in the englewood neighborhood on the south side. the teen and the two other people were standing outside when the shooter approached and opened fire. the 17-year-old boy was shot in the head, and he was pronounced dead at the s






3 dead, 1 wounded after shootings on south, west sides


shootings left three people dead and one other wounded on the south and west sides thursday.in the most recent attack,a 25-year-old woman was shot dead on the west side. it happened around 6:30 p.m. in the 4400 block of west haddon avenue in the city's west humboldt park neighborhood, police said.she suffered multiple gunshot wounds to the body and was dead on the scene, police said.check back for details.a 30-year-old man was shot in the legs and shoulders in the 8200 block of south carpenter street in the gresham neighborhood around 6:10 p.m., police said.the victim was on foot when two assailants he did not know approached from an alley and fired shots, police said. he was taken to advocate christ medical center in oak lawn where he was in serious condition, police said. he was later pr






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.six of those people were shot within a 40-minute period early sunday. among those shot during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was killed on the near north side early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore drive. rifle shootings in






4 wounded by rifles among 2 dead, 23 wounded in city shootings


two people were shot dead and 23 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, which includes two separate quadruple shootings that took place on the west side, according to police.six of those people were shot within a 40-minute period early sunday. among those shot during that period was a 25-year-old woman who was killed in the gold coast neighborhood early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, striking her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore drive. rifle shoo






monday shootings leave 5 dead, 17 wounded


shootings on monday during the long memorial day weekend left five people dead, three of whom were involved in domestic-related incidents, and left 17 others wounded in separate attacks.in the most recent fatal shooting, a 17-year-old boy was shot dead and two others were wounded just before 9:50 p.m. in the 6900 block of south harvard avenue in the englewood neighborhood on the south side. the teen and the two other people were standing outside when the shooter approached and opened fire. the 17-year-old boy was shot in the head, and he was pronounced dead at the scene. another 17-year-old boy was shot in the left shoulder, and his condition was stabilized at advocate christ medical center. a 20-year-old man was shot in the abdomen, and his condition was stabilized at stroger hospital. an






monday shootings leave 5 dead, 14 wounded


shootings on monday during the long memorial day weekend left five people dead, three of whom were involved in domestic-related incidents, and left 14 others wounded in separate attacks.in the most recent fatal shooting, a 17-year-old boy was shot dead and two others were wounded just before 9:50 p.m. in the 6900 block of south harvard avenue in the englewood neighborhood on the south side. the teen and the two other people were standing outside when the shooter approached and opened fire. the 17-year-old boy was shot in the head, and he was pronounced dead at the scene. another 17-year-old boy was shot in the left shoulder, and his condition was stabilized at advocate christ medical center. a 20-year-old man was shot in the abdomen, and his condition was stabilized at stroger hospital. an






monday shootings leave 5 dead, 17 wounded


shootings on monday during the long memorial day weekend left five people dead, three of whom were involved in domestic-related incidents, and left 17 others wounded in separate attacks.in the most recent fatal shooting, a 17-year-old boy was shot dead and two others were wounded just before 9:50 p.m. in the 6900 block of south harvard avenue in the englewood neighborhood on the south side. the teen and the two other people were standing outside when the shooter approached and opened fire. the 17-year-old boy was shot in the head, and he was pronounced dead at the scene. another 17-year-old boy was shot in the left shoulder, and his condition was stabilized at advocate christ medical center. a 20-year-old man was shot in the abdomen, and his condition was stabilized at stroger hospital. an






the latest: st. paul shooting suspect had child with victim


st. paul, minn. — the latest on the shootings in st. paul that left four dead including a suspect (all times local):6:15 p.m.police say a deceased suspect in the shootings of four people at a st. paul apartment building shared a child with one of the victims.twenty-year-old jeffrey jemaile taylor was found dead several hours after the early friday shootings by officers canvassing the neighborhood.the three people killed inside the apartment have been identified as 47-year-old wade gordon mcintosh and his two daughters, 17-year-old olivia felis mcintosh and 19-year-old maria alana mcintosh.police say taylor shared a child with maria mcintosh, the same toddler who police say was found in a shed with the other suspect friday morning. police have identified that suspect as jeffrey a. taylor, a






2 killed, at least 5 hurt in chicago shootings


a 17-year-old boy and a 24-year-old man have been killed and at least five people, including a 14-year-old girl, have been injured since wednesday morning in shootings in chicago, police said.the 17-year-old boy was killed in the ashburn neighborhood in the 3300 block of west 79th street, near christiana avenue, just after 7:30 p.m., according to police. the boy was shot in the back and taken to advocate christ medical center, where he was pronounced dead. the boy was walking with his brother when attackers who haven't been identified came up to them and starting shooting at the two, hitting the teen, police said.a 24-year-old man was fatally shot about 4:30 p.m. in the 3200 block of west haddon avenue in the humboldt park neighborhood, according to a police media notification. he was shot






4 wounded by rifles among 3 dead, 22 wounded in city shootings


three people were fattally shot and 22 others were wounded across the city during 18 hours from saturday to sunday, according to police. of those shot, eight were wounded in two separate quadruple shootings on the west side. six people were shot within a 40-minute period early sunday, including a 25-year-old woman killed on the near north side early sunday, according to police. about 2:40 a.m. sunday, the woman was standing with someone she knew in the 500 block of east ohio street when someone fired shots toward them, hitting her in the head, police said. she was taken to northwestern memorial hospital, where she was pronounced dead. police had originally reported that the shooting took place in the 600 block of north lake shore drive. just before 5 a.m., a 17-year-old girl was critically






1 dead, 1 seriously wounded in shootings on south, west sides


a man is dead, and another man was seriously wounded in shootings saturday afternoon on the west and southwest sides.the fatal attack happened shortly after 3:30 p.m. in the 4900 block of west van buren street in the austin neighborhood, police said.a 33-year-old man was seated in a vehicle when a silver sedan pulled up and someone fired shots, striking him multiple times in the body. he was taken in serious condition to loyola university medical center in maywood where he was pronounced dead a short time later, police said.the latest attack happened shortly before 4 p.m. in the 6600 block of south springfield avenue in the west lawn neighborhood.a 28-year-old man was shot multiple times while he was a passenger in a car. the driver took him to holy cross hospital where he was listed in cr






1 dead, 1 wounded after shootings on south, near west sides


shootings left one man dead and another wounded on the south and near west sides thursday.around 3 p.m.., a 25-year-old man was shot in the 200 block of south western avenue, police said.the man, who was shot in the head, got himself to stroger hospital where he was listed in critical condition, police said.earlier, another man was found fatally shot inside a vehicle in the auburn gresham neighborhood on the south side thursday morning.shortly after 11 a.m., police got a shots fired call for the 8500 block of south justine street. officers found a man shot multiple times inside of a vehicle, chicago police said.according to preliminary information, a black suv pulled up to the victim's car and fired multiple shots striking the victim several times.police were investigating.






4 dead, 7 wounded in chicago after 24-hour lull in shootings


after a 24-hour lull in shootings in chicago, four people were dead and at least seven people wounded following shootings tuesday night and early wednesday in chicago, according to police.in the most recent fatal shooting, a man and a woman were found shot to death on the chicago skyway about 4:15 a.m. wednesday in what police were investigating as a possible domestic attack.in the garfield ridge neighborhood, a 34-year-old man was shot to death in the 4500 block of south leclaire avenue about 1:15 a.m. the man was sitting in the passenger seat of a black jeep when attackers came up on foot and shot him multiple times, according to a police media notification. the man was pronounced dead at the scene.tuesday, a man was killed and at least two other people were wounded in the 200 block of s






3 dead, 15 wounded in city shootings


three people were shot dead and 15 other people were wounded in attacks from tuesday morning to early wednesday. about 2:45 a.m. wednesday, a 35-year-old woman was shot multiple times while she was sitting in a car in the 9700 block of south morgan street in the longwood manor neighborhood, police said.the shooter was in another vehicle that approached and opened fire, striking her in the arm and multiple times in the torso. she was pronounced dead at roseland community hospital.in the englewood neighborhood, a 22-year-old man was shot dead about 12:35 a.m. wednesday in the 6600 block of south carpenter street, police said. he was found on the street with a gunshot wound to the chest.he was taken in critical condition to advocate christ medical center. he was later pronounced dead.  tuesda






2 dead, 8 wounded in tuesday shootings


two people were fatally shot and eight others, including a 65-year-old seriously hurt in an attempted robbery, were taken to hospitals after shootings in chicago on tuesday afternoon and evening.the most recent fatal shooting happened about 10:15 p.m. in the pill hill neighborhood on the far south side. officers responding to a call of gunfire found the man on the sidewalk in front of a home in the 9200 block of south chappel avenue. he had been shot multiple times and was pronounced dead at 10:30 p.m., police said. he was identified as jesse woods, 31, of the 8200 block of south carpenter street, according to the cook county medical examiner's office.about 12:25 p.m., a 17-year-old boy was fatally shot in the 2300 block of east 95th street in the far south side's calumet heights neighborh






st. paul shooting leaves one dead, two teens injured


a is dead and two teens are recovering from injuries after an apparent shooting in st. paul late wednesday, police said.around 10:30 p.m., officers were called to a residence on the 500 block of case avenue east on a report of s s fired. when police arrived they found three juveniles who were injured. paramedics then pronounced a dead at the scene, police spokesman sgt. mike ernster said.two teens, an 18-year-old man and a 17-year-old , were taken to regions hospital, ernster said.names of the victims have not been released.homicide detectives are interviewing witnesses and trying to determine what led to the shootings.anyone with information regarding this incident can call st. paul police at 651-266-5650.






2 dead, 3 wounded in wednesday shootings on west, south sides


two men died and three others were taken to hospitals after shootings wednesday on the west and south sides, police said.both fatal shootings happened in the city's lawndale neighborhood.shortly after 2:45 p.m. in the 3800 block of west ogden avenue, a black vehicle pulled up to the victim and two gunmen got out the back and began firing shots before fleeing the scene, police said.the male victim, whose exact age was not available, was shot in the head and chest and was taken to mount sinai hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 3:11 p.m., according to police and the cook county medical examiner's office.another fatal shooting claimed 30-year-old derrick nelson, who was shot in lawndale about 9 a.m., police said.nelson was standing at 13th street and independence boulevard when he was a






2 dead, 11 wounded, including 15-year-old boy in city shootings


two men were killed and 11 other people, including a 15-year-old boy, were injured during shootings from saturday to early sunday on the west and south sides.in the most recent fatal shooting, a 44-year-old man was shot dead about 2:40 a.m. in the 7900 block of south brandon avenue on the far south side. he was heading north in a car on brandon avenue when he crashed into a parked car. when paramedics arrived, they realized the man had been shot in the left shoulder and head. the 44-year-old man was taken to south shore hospital, where he was pronounced dead.  a 29-year-old man was fatally shot about 5 p.m. in the 1200 block of north laramie avenue in the city's austin neighborhood. the man was on foot when a vehicle drove past him and someone inside fired shots and hit him in the chest, p






4 dead, 7 wounded in chicago after 24-hour lull in shootings


after a 24-hour lull in shootings in chicago, four people were dead and at least seven people wounded following shootings tuesday night and early wednesday, according to police.in the most recent fatal shooting, a man and a woman were found shot to death on the chicago skyway about 4:15 a.m. wednesday in what police were investigating as a domestic homicide-suicide. in the southwest side's garfield ridge neighborhood, a 34-year-old man was shot to death in the 4500 block of south leclaire avenue about 1:15 a.m. the man was sitting in the passenger seat of a black jeep with another person when attackers came up on foot and shot him multiple times, according to police. the man was pronounced dead at the scene.family members gathered on the lawn of a home near the car as police photographed t






members of congress care what you have to say more than you think


closeskip in skipxembedxshare if the political scene has you frustrated, here's how to direct change within your local government representation. usa today networkpeople shout to rep. jason chaffetz during his town hall meeting feb. 9, 2017, in cottonwood heights, utah.(photo: rick bowmer, ap) 18563 connectlinkedinemailmorewashington — the phone lines in congressional offices have been ringing off the hook over the past few weeks and there have been overflowing town halls around the country. but does your lawmaker actually care what you think?a report released by the congressional management foundation monday found that they do. and the constituents who go through the extra trouble of showing up in person or writing personal emails and letters have the best chance or persuading an undecide